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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2327</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your right,

When most animal populations get to high we just open up hunting season and shoot them. These horses are at least being given another chance for an even better life. A life with food and water without having to worry when its coming next. They&#039;ll have shelter from the elements, no more predators. And what my mustang seems to love the most, a human to give them scratches and cookies... although he might love his water equally...lol. Thats better than any deer will ever get!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right,</p>
<p>When most animal populations get to high we just open up hunting season and shoot them. These horses are at least being given another chance for an even better life. A life with food and water without having to worry when its coming next. They&#8217;ll have shelter from the elements, no more predators. And what my mustang seems to love the most, a human to give them scratches and cookies&#8230; although he might love his water equally&#8230;lol. Thats better than any deer will ever get!</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2323</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By saying that they deserve to be treated as a native species, you might as well let scientists bring back dinosaurs and let them run wild to because they used to be here too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By saying that they deserve to be treated as a native species, you might as well let scientists bring back dinosaurs and let them run wild to because they used to be here too.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2324</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly,

The ancestors of modern horses WERE native. Nature selected them to no longer live here THOUSANDS of years ago. Those that stayed in North America died out. Could it be that they were not supposed to be here? Also, the modern horse, Equus Caballus, was never found in the U.S.

I am well aware that horses first showed up in North America, but did you ever think that there might have been a reason they left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly,</p>
<p>The ancestors of modern horses WERE native. Nature selected them to no longer live here THOUSANDS of years ago. Those that stayed in North America died out. Could it be that they were not supposed to be here? Also, the modern horse, Equus Caballus, was never found in the U.S.</p>
<p>I am well aware that horses first showed up in North America, but did you ever think that there might have been a reason they left?</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2325</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I realized there was a problem with my math...  the population in 10 years would be 1,200.. but just four years later it would explode to 2,400... In 20 years, 4,800! Thats an awful lot of living legends fighting for 38,000 acres. (That would leave them with less than 8 acres a piece, most of it with only sage brush scattered thoughout it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I realized there was a problem with my math&#8230;  the population in 10 years would be 1,200.. but just four years later it would explode to 2,400&#8230; In 20 years, 4,800! Thats an awful lot of living legends fighting for 38,000 acres. (That would leave them with less than 8 acres a piece, most of it with only sage brush scattered thoughout it)</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Sellitto</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2326</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela Sellitto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nikki:  You have some research to do.  The horse is native to North America (Kirkpatrick and Fazio, Natural History Magazine, July 2008; Donlan, Nature, 2005).  It originated on this continent 4 million years ago and was lost in the Late Pleistocene 10,000 years ago.  During the time that they were here populations of equus traveled to europe and asia across the bering straits.  The Spanish merely re-introduced a once native species.  The wild horse should have the same protections as any other wildlife species because that is what they truly are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nikki:  You have some research to do.  The horse is native to North America (Kirkpatrick and Fazio, Natural History Magazine, July 2008; Donlan, Nature, 2005).  It originated on this continent 4 million years ago and was lost in the Late Pleistocene 10,000 years ago.  During the time that they were here populations of equus traveled to europe and asia across the bering straits.  The Spanish merely re-introduced a once native species.  The wild horse should have the same protections as any other wildlife species because that is what they truly are.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2322</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, (I know I&#039;m posting a lot today) I just wanted to leave a link up to the Pryor Mountain Wild Mustang Center&#039;s blog. This man is an advocate of the horses and is not associated with the BLM or Cloud Foundation. This has been the most level headed, unbiased opinion on the situation that I have found from someone who was there. http://www.pryormustangs.org/mustang_blog.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, (I know I&#8217;m posting a lot today) I just wanted to leave a link up to the Pryor Mountain Wild Mustang Center&#8217;s blog. This man is an advocate of the horses and is not associated with the BLM or Cloud Foundation. This has been the most level headed, unbiased opinion on the situation that I have found from someone who was there. <a href="http://www.pryormustangs.org/mustang_blog.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.pryormustangs.org/mustang_blog.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2321</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just gonna post this here because I can&#039;t in the breeds section and its on mustangs.

mesteno means &quot;without owner&quot;, not a group of wild horses.

escaped horses did form bands, but could not reproduce with local horses as there were none. MANY years later, as people moved out west, they release their stock and they reproduced with the feral horses the spanish left behind, creating what we see as the American Mustang.

Under temperment I would also put down
Extremely Intellegent
Alert
Curious
and honestly, not stubborn at all, actually very willing.

The only con I can think of is not being good for a beginer.
They are not hard to break if you know how to train a horse.

If you need any help with anything involving mustangs, kigers, spanisg colonial, etc, just let me know. I&#039;m heavily involved with the breed and would love to help get more information out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just gonna post this here because I can&#8217;t in the breeds section and its on mustangs.</p>
<p>mesteno means &#8220;without owner&#8221;, not a group of wild horses.</p>
<p>escaped horses did form bands, but could not reproduce with local horses as there were none. MANY years later, as people moved out west, they release their stock and they reproduced with the feral horses the spanish left behind, creating what we see as the American Mustang.</p>
<p>Under temperment I would also put down<br />
Extremely Intellegent<br />
Alert<br />
Curious<br />
and honestly, not stubborn at all, actually very willing.</p>
<p>The only con I can think of is not being good for a beginer.<br />
They are not hard to break if you know how to train a horse.</p>
<p>If you need any help with anything involving mustangs, kigers, spanisg colonial, etc, just let me know. I&#8217;m heavily involved with the breed and would love to help get more information out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2320</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny,

No, we don&#039;t round up wild animals and put them in pens. Horses are not wild animals, they are feral animals that compete with actual wildlife for forage and water. They round these horses up because they do  emmense damage to the range. The BLM has a herd management level for every area that will keep a balance between them, the land, and native wildlife. When the population exceeds that area, they gather the excess and put them up for adoption. Populations double every 4 years, that means if they were left alone for just 10 years that 200 in the Pryors would be 2,400.
 As for other forms of population control... the birth control PZP is finally available but still very expensive. Gelding studs won&#039;t do anything, they have tried. Geldings won&#039;t keep harems. If you have 50 studs and 50 mares, and you geld 49 of them, you will have one very tired stud at the end of the season, but he&#039;ll get the job done. And then guess what? In one season you will have all of the new folas being brother and sister! Bye bye genetic viability!

Do you know how many domestics are starved as well? Its a sad fact of the horse would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny,</p>
<p>No, we don&#8217;t round up wild animals and put them in pens. Horses are not wild animals, they are feral animals that compete with actual wildlife for forage and water. They round these horses up because they do  emmense damage to the range. The BLM has a herd management level for every area that will keep a balance between them, the land, and native wildlife. When the population exceeds that area, they gather the excess and put them up for adoption. Populations double every 4 years, that means if they were left alone for just 10 years that 200 in the Pryors would be 2,400.<br />
 As for other forms of population control&#8230; the birth control PZP is finally available but still very expensive. Gelding studs won&#8217;t do anything, they have tried. Geldings won&#8217;t keep harems. If you have 50 studs and 50 mares, and you geld 49 of them, you will have one very tired stud at the end of the season, but he&#8217;ll get the job done. And then guess what? In one season you will have all of the new folas being brother and sister! Bye bye genetic viability!</p>
<p>Do you know how many domestics are starved as well? Its a sad fact of the horse would.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny Lillis</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2319</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny Lillis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 02:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we don&#039;t round up other wild animals and stick them in a paddock then adopt out the animals to unqualified unexperienced people who will further breed them. Leave the horses alone. If there are too many then take the studs and give them their own area to live where they can&#039;t breed. they can geld some then re-introduce a few back to the mares as needed.
Do you know how many of these horses are starved in captivity or are given to rescues? Alot! Because alot of the new owners can&#039;t handle the training. Ask me how difficult it is to catch a wild Mustang horse as it runs loose whaen they get out of their owners fencing. Not an easy task!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we don&#8217;t round up other wild animals and stick them in a paddock then adopt out the animals to unqualified unexperienced people who will further breed them. Leave the horses alone. If there are too many then take the studs and give them their own area to live where they can&#8217;t breed. they can geld some then re-introduce a few back to the mares as needed.<br />
Do you know how many of these horses are starved in captivity or are given to rescues? Alot! Because alot of the new owners can&#8217;t handle the training. Ask me how difficult it is to catch a wild Mustang horse as it runs loose whaen they get out of their owners fencing. Not an easy task!</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Van Natta</title>
		<link>http://www.theequinest.com/pryor-mountain-roundup/#comment-2318</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleanor Van Natta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never ceases to amaze me what injustices mankind will heap upon the backs of animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never ceases to amaze me what injustices mankind will heap upon the backs of animals.</p>
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