Friesian Horse Scam
Heads Up Buyers – The person who placed the ad is a proven scammer & similar ads have been found for the same animal under different names. The ad I’ve left up for reference & discussion because the scam ads tend use the same descriptions & photos. The people who asked me to place this ad are in no way affiliated with The Equinest, I’ve removed any contact info for them & urge everyone to read the comments for more information.
If you are interested in adopting an animal for minimal cost, why not check out a rescue or two?
Recently I was contacted by a horse owner who has an unfortunate situation and needs to find a good home for his Friesian gelding. He is offering Ebony free to a good home with the assurance the animal will be well cared for.
Meet Ebony
Ebony is a loyal horse, willing, placid and cheerful. He is people oriented, highly intelligent and possesses an uncanny ability to retain knowledge. he can be ridden both Western and English disciplines.
A Little About The Animal
Some of the basics you’ll want to know…
- Up to date with vet and farrier checks
- Energetic & fast learning
- Gets along well with other horses
- He is sound, sane and in good health
A Little About His Action
A Friesian gelding, ebony is a nice example of his breed from what I can tell.
- Walk is straight, forward and springy
- Trots with extreme power and action, bending well and deep at the joints
- His Steps are high and long with lot of “air time’
- His canter is lively with a strong pushing power from the hindquarters
I would love to own this lovely guy to pursue an interest in dressage. Thank you! Devorah
hi Devorah,
this is michael.thanks for the mail,i appreciate your interest.i believe Ebony is going to be in good hands with you.you can get to me directly at
waiting to hear from you.
I don’t live in Texas but in Missouri. I have a quarter horse gelding, Larado. He is 12 yrs old. I don’t ride him much but my husband does. I am more into grooming, feeding, and just spending time with him. I really thought I wanted to ride again, hadn’t done it since I was a kid, and got my first horse a few years ago. Shadow was the worst looking one at the sale barn and when the guy at the barn barked out that the slaughter truck was on its way to pick her up I loaded her up and off we went. Big mistake. I knew nothing about horses, let alone a 6 year old horse that had never been handled. But we eventually found our way together and while she refused to let me ride her, with the exception of the 2 second ride I got when I was stupid enough to climb on her, she did eventually let me lead, bathe, groom and cuddle (cuddle I did with caution)her. She taught me a lot about the nature of horses. I do still ride at times and Shadow moved on with a guy that broke her, but I would like to have another horse and Larado needs a pasture mate. Don’t know if someone of my ability, or inability I guess, would be considered but I would appreciate it if you gave it some thought. Thanks.
I believe this offer is a scam. You can see a simiar ad posted here. http://www.horseweb.com/horses/classifieds/ads/62058.htm
The pictures and name are the same, but the horse is supposedly in Augusta, Maine. The phone number listed with the ad is area code 755, which is in Shenzhen, in Guangdong Province. That sure ain’t Texas!
Hi B. Hill,
Thanks for your comment, I’m looking into the situation. What “is” the scam?
I’m not sure what the scam is, or if there is one. I do believe it’s not a legitimate ad. Nothing about it makes sense!
Hi B. Hill,
I appreciate your vigilance so did some research, but I still can’t see what anyone would have to gain from posting an ad for a horse.
There are other ads for Ebony around the horse web, but it looks to me like they are just using every resource they can to find a home for their animal.
Hopefully everyone will use their common sense and take the same precautions they would take when posting or answering any type of classified ad online.
PLEASE use caution.
I do not believe this is a legitimate ad. If you express interest in the horse you will be contacted by someone else and asked for contact information so they can bill you shipping charges.
Hi B. Hill,
Thanks again for this information. Instead of pulling the ad, I opted to add a warning at the top of the post. I’m hoping that leaving it up and clearly stating the warning I am making the situation known.
If anyone has more information I hope they will speak up too.
I was the first to respond to this ad and I have saved all correspondance with “Michael” who offered the horse to me. First he informed me the horse was located in another state, not Texas. Next he told me I would be responsible for shipping fees and that I would pay the shipper for the transfer of the horse’s registration (makes no sense) and for the cost of shipping. Next he sent me a link to a corporate pet transport service which seemed to specialize in dogs and cats rather than horses. When I told him I would pick up the horse myself and asked for a location, the man seems to have discontinued communications. What would a scammer have to gain in this situation? Bogus fees for transfering a horses registration ($1,500) in this case and shipping fees. While I would like to believe better of Michael, it became very clear to me that this is a scam. Of course, I would like very much for him to prove me wrong. In the meantime, I have several really nice mares to legitimately place with someone who is capable of providing them a quality home. If interested, email me at DominionRacing@live.com. Thank You, Devorah
Thanks for the info Devorah, I hope everyone will read these comments so they are aware of these types of scams.
this is not a scam.i’m just trying to sell my horse.
hello what kind of horse do you have? and where are you located?
Hi Michael,
Just to clarify the add said that the horse was “free” and in this statement, you said you wanted to sell him.
Is the horse “free” or is he for sale and if so what is the price?
Thank you for clearing this up. I am still very interested in the horse.
Devorah
On HorseWeb, the ad you posted said “financial situation is the reason why i want to give him for free to a good home where he can be well catered for.”
So yes, we would all like to know how much he costs now. Is he available to be picked up? Also, where IS Ebony?
im all the way in uk and this same horse is up for sale as two different horses in 2 different states, ive been asked to pay delivery of the horse, i was really looking forward to owning him but from the word go i knew it was a scam once i recieved pictures from 2 people with the same horse, i belive he pretends to be a horse transprter takes ur moeny and runs? i mean if i had a horse i loved dearly i would most defently want to see were it was going and meet and speak to the person it was going to, the horse offered to me on the 1st email for all he knew could be the meat man!!!! VERY INSANE
This same ad is now all over dreamhorse.com I became very leary when the owner (in this case freddy) was in Tenn, the ad orriginated as TX and the horse was supposed to be in Il. My guess is they are trying to get you to send money for shipping. I have been requesting the address for the farm where the horse is located for days. The pics are the same as a horse that has been offered for “Adoption” in the UK. He looks like too nice a horse for someone to give away also. Freddy claimed he did not believe in selling animals.
What a shame. It’s one thing to prey on greedy people who fall for the “don’t tell anyone and I’ll share the million dollars with you” scam. But to take advantage of horse lovers who are trying to save a beautiful animal, it’s really low. I hope NO ONE falls victim, but I fear they’re making money hand over fist.
hes still trying to get me to send him money reckons the horse is waiting in a haulers, i was really excited but realised that it was all too good to be true!! thanks to this ad i could confirm my thoughts on it been a scam, so many thanks xx
wow,
there is a woman who i have been emailing back and forth with about this horse named welly. i told her i was located in the new england area. she said that she used to live in new england but because of a back injury she had to relocate in texas! she spoke in broken english but she knew so much about this horse! it was, obviously, free. she is trying to get me to tell her what my adress, full name, and phone number is so that she can ship it to me and then have ME pay them? makes NO sense. im going to tell her to give me her adress because i dont feel comftorble giving out personal info. i dont know how she will react but from the rest of these emails i can tell that she wont give me her adress. :/ its so wrong to pray on people who truely love these graceful animals and tell them to give you money!!! thanks y’all!
i am very interested in ebony i alresdy have a horse and i would only want him for light hacks i ride my horse every day apart from sundays so he gets a reast i have always wanted a freisian as i think they are amazing animals please contact me asap many thanks lindsey.
This horse ( if healthy) would be much too valuable to give away.If the owner wanted to ensure a good home they would sell it for a very fair price (still high compared to your regular backyard horse – at the very least 5-6000 (from what it looks like it would be much higher) . Anyone paying a price like that would ensure the horse has a good home. No one would give this breed of horse away. This horse looks like it would be registered – ask for the registration number and then contact the registry. Looks very much like a scam. Ask them to send another picture with a newspaper from the local town attached to the saddle ( so you can see the headline) – it just might help if you are really interested in pursuing -at least you would know there was a horse and were it was that day.
Hi Judy,
Thanks for your comment and the helpful tips. Hopefully readers will read them and take heed.
We replied to an add for the same hore but from an emily hunt and we said we wanted to pick up the horse and they wanted to ship it and for us to pay the shipping charges. They didn’t want to call us just said the shipping company would contact us.
Hi all this is what I believe is a scam they have posted similar scams in the UK using business, illness etc then wanting you to pay for shipping, they also try ans ascertain as much personal information as possiblehis could lead to a identity fraud. Please be mindful if anything seems to be good to be true it usually is. I try to spend about hour a week looking for similar ads and reporting them to the website, because I am so angry and what they try to do to innocent people.
THIS IS A SCAM!!!!
I TALK TO THE SUPPOSED OWNER WHO WAS PUTTING THE HORSE UP FOR ADOPTION , JUST PAY FOR HIS SHIPPING(850.00)AND ONLY A WALMART MONEY GRAM WILL BE EXCEPTED
HE HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT NAMES ,SPIKEY,
HYLER,ANDY AND A FEW MORE. HE IS LISTED ON HIGHCOUNTRY.COM
AS SPIKEY.
THESE PEOPLE DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HORSES. SO PLEASE BEWARE
I HAVE HER ADDRESS AND A PHONE # HER NAME IS ???
EVA GOOD BURNS AND HER E-MAIL IS EVA<97977797@GMAIL.COM
HER BROTHER??? PRATEATON52@YAHOO.COM
DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE STILL THERE .IT WOULD BE STUPID
OF THEM IF THEY STILL ARE
SANDY
Just responded to an ad to buy a fresian for $1500. Once the person contacted me via email, they said they were looking for someone to adopt their horse. Went on to mention a back injury, 3 years in a wheel chair, had to move to Washington to be with parents, etc. Something just didn’t add up. I was sent a bunch of photos, and they’re the same photos that show up above. The horses name on this posting was Ayala.
Well, those criminals are just about everywhere! They started “small” with puppy frauds — now they try to steal money from horse lovers! There are no pets — just greedy criminal who will ask you to send money gram via Wal-Mart or Western Union. When you do that, you can kiss your founds Good Buy!
Just ignore any suspicious offers or better yet immediately report any offers (that are not from a safe place where you can go in person) to authorities. Internet is flooded with trained scammers from Cameroon, Nigeria, Kenya and recently from Spain — some of those criminals have contacts in United States, so be very careful to whom you give your personal information
I just came across the very same situation on another website. The woman said the horse was in another country and just wanted to find the horse a good home and all I needed to do was give my name, address, phone number and closest airport and they would send the horse to me if I agreed to pay the $1,100.00 shipping fee. MAJOR SCAM ! !
Totally a scam.
the horse is also listed all over as Jack.
when pressed they refuse to let you see horse or ship it yourself. they want you to pay shipping, that’s all! Ya, right. And they are on some religious retreat and cannot see anyone (but have internet access…. um)
I’ve contacted authorities. My son was so excited and urged me to contact the ad. Oh well. Live and learn
You are all shamless, greedy scammers from Cameroon!
YES!!!!! IT A TYPICAL WEST AFRICAN SCAM! JUST GOOGLE THEIR E-ADDRESS AND CHECK THEIR IP – ALWAYS SHOWS FROM CAMEROON – LAND OF SHAMELESS CRIMINALS!
Greetings,
Please find below an exchange of emails I have had with the webmaster of the EquineNow.com website. As you will see, I was also fooled by a fraudulent Friesian advert.
Thankfully, while awaiting a reply to my request for further information about a Friesian gelding, I happened to discover your remarkable public discussion about this previously undetected equine scam.
If anyone needed an example of the power of public input, this Ebony Friesian Scam alert certainly fills the bill.
Armed with this information, I entered into a positive exchange with the webmaster of the EquineNow website, who is now taking strong steps to stop the infiltration of that site by these unscrupulous crooks.
That exchange is beneath my signature.
best wishes,
CuChullaine O’Reilly
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Date: 2009-09-21 16:02:03
Name: CuChullaine O’Reilly
Message:
Hello,
My name is CuChullaine O’Reilly. I am the Founder of the international equestrian exploration organization, the Long Riders’ Guild, the publisher of more than 300 equestrian books, an international equestrian investigative reporter and the webmaster for numerous academic equine websites.
I mention these facts so as to demonstrate the depth of my knowledge of the equestrian world, as well as to alert you to the fact that your website was misused by equestrian crooks.
Earlier today I became a victim of a Friesian ‘for sale’ scam which is being operated on your website.
It was only by chance that I happened to discover another website which listed emails from other victims. The information provided there provided me with the evidence needed to learn that I had been set up by a fraudulent seller.
Upon returning to your website I discovered that you have created a well worded warning about this Friesian scam.
My question is, because you certainly know your website is being repeatedly misused in this manner, why don’t you publish this warning above each Friesian page instead of burying it deep inside your website?
Such a placement/warning would instantly have alerted me, and doubtless hundreds of other well-meaning potential buyers, to the risks we were being exposed to.
It would also serve as a deterrent to the crooks who are turning your website into an accomplice for crime.
If I hear back from the criminals, I will be in touch with the police bunco squad at Graham, Texas, where the imaginary horse is supposedly living.
Your input into this internet fraud is of grave concern to me and I would appreciate your reply at your earliest convenience.
Thank you.
CuChullaine O’Reilly FRGS
http://www.thelongridersguild.com
http://www.theworldride.org
http://www.horsetravelbooks.com
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Date: 2009-09-21 21:19:47
Name: EquineNow Support
Message:
That’s a good suggestion. I’ll have the programmers add some wording and then link to our fraud page. I’d like to make sure the ad you are talking about is removed from our site. Do you have the Ad ID# or URL? We remove ads daily, as well as taking steps to ‘ban’ sellers who post questionable ads. Unfortunately, many of the scammers work their way around the block/ban, so its a never ending battle.
Best regards,
EquineNow Support
http://www.equinenow.com
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Date: 2009-09-22 14:41:56
Name: CuChullaine O’Reilly
Message:
Hello,
Thanks for getting back to me regarding this devilish method of preying on the public’s trust. Having spent months searching on both sides of the Atlantic for a suitable gelding for my upcoming ride around the world, I was very excited to have apparently discovered a seller who had the perfect horse for my 12,000 mile journey.
You can imagine my disappointment when later that day I discovered the photograph from your website, which purported to depict the Friesian ‘gelding’ I was awaiting a reply on, was being used to hustle an imaginary Friesian mare on another sale site.
That discovery in turn led to a quick check of the internet, wherein was revealed a site where other concerned horse buyers had pooled their discoveries about this Nigerian-style internet horse scam.
Here is a link to that important discussion.
http://www.theequinest.com/friesian-in-texas/
While awaiting your reply I discovered that other internet equine sale sites are also being polluted by this scam.
One such example pretends to have a Friesian at Fargo, North Dakota and lists this phone number 856-282-0952. But a quick check reveals that this is actually a New Jersey area number.
http://www.horseville.com/php/view.php?id=225647
A check of your website just now reveals that the two Friesians which originally drew my attention, named Ype and JK, seem to have been withdrawn. This is just as well as, if the scammers had replied to my query, I planned to telephone the chief of police, and local newspaper editor in Graham, Texas, where the Friesian was supposedly located, so as to alert these local authorities to how their town was being used as a cover for this quickly spreading scam.
While the ad that drew my attention yesterday seems to have been withdrawn, your website is hosting an interesting ad for a Friesian which claims it is “almost gated.” Despite my many years of equine experience I’ve yet to meet an animal with this rare architectural description.
Nevertheless this imaginary Friesian is available for the an affordable $1000.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-o1528925572
What I believe is another strong indication of fraud is that, like many of these phony Friesian ads, this seller provides no name or contact info but does pretend to supply a You Tube video. Yet a check at You Tube only takes you to a general page, with no horse footage provided. So this is another clue as to the scammer’s method.
Meanwhile, there are pages of other obviously phony Friesian ads still listed on your website. The one listing “Very feminine face, petite build,” seems to have strayed over from a cowgirl-singles website.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-o1540689458
Other obvious examples, include a “two for one” pair of sale-priced Freisians. Here are some examples which could almost certainly be removed immediately.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-o1444469612
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-o1554091663
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-o1499094657
A visit to your website just now has revealed that you have placed the words “Beware of scam ads” at the top of each page. But as a webmaster myself, could I suggest that you clarify the wording to read “BEWARE SCAM FRIESIAN ADS.”
Anyone using the internet will recognize the deliberate use of capital letters and visit the suggested link.
Moreover, such a strident warning will immediately discourage scammers, who will realize that their secret has been exposed.
In conclusion, your website is providing a valuable service to buyers and sellers alike, so it is certainly disappointing to have to spend time patrolling against these obnoxious low-level pony parasites.
However, as money may have indeed been illegally enticed from the public via your website’s ads, I trust you will now ensure that you will take the steps necessary to protect genuine buyers and sellers from this type of blatant abuse.
Many thanks for your attention to this matter.
CuChullaine O’Reilly FRGS
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Date: 2009-09-22 17:05:59
Name: EquineNow Support
Message:
Thanks for your input. The ads you link to above are all from a third party feed called Oodle, and if you click on one of those ads you are taken to the site that the seller placed the ad on (which wouldn’t be ours). As I said, our site as well as the others are continually removing known scam ads, as you have seen by returning to the ads that originally caught your attention.
Again, thanks for the suggestions…
Best regards,
EquineNow Support
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Many thanks to everyone who has taken the time to comment about this situation. I’m hoping your comments will convince any buyer to move on to greener pastures.
Please post this I have found this scam in North Carolina as well. If you check any of these sites you will see Fresian horses for under $1500. The latest is Tango listed by Marcelo Biglante. In this scam he claims he and his wife have been in a car accisent and are no longer able to ride. Another recent scam I came across was a lady in South Carolina who claims she moved to Utah because her son was recently killed in a car accident and the horse reminds her of him. Again both parties lie about their actual location and want money for thed transport, saying the balance of the horse will only be paid upon delivery if you are completely satisfied. These people are complete scum! DO NOT FALL INTO THEIR TRAP!!! Here is the last email Marcelo sent today:
Hi there
Many thanks for the mail and happy to read from you .Well i must say i am impressed from your reply and i think you will make the perfect home for my gelding .to give you more information about his performance and character , i must say he is the best i have ever had. He is pure sweety that likes to be cuddled and on the other hand he wants to please you. He is very intelligent and gentle. Super social and not afraid of traffic, dogs and children but still a young horse of course. He has absolute potential .He is a sweet and well handled boy in all the ways. He star ted his training a little while ago and is so easy with taking up new work. Will make – within the shortest time – an excellent family horse or best friend for life! Full motherline, baroque built and super character .I assure you that you will get the best gelding ever . He will come with his passport and all tacks accompanied .He will come with two saddles , brindles and Bits .Rugs and blanket shall accompany him.He is UTD on his coggins and will come with his health guarantee . But all i need from you is the assurance that you will take proper care of him and send me updated photos of the friesian every after two months . I will definitely let you have the gelding but will like to know when you are fit to come for the pick up.Presently i am located in Oakland California where i have been primarily transferred to work with the Kinship Child Adoption center . Though i am due to resume my duty , i will like that he is taken to his new home since i intend to dedicate my self and do my work .So i will like to know when you are ready to come for the pick up .If coming to pick up will be stressful , then i will advice you come over with a trailer of your choice to haul him to your home .You will have to pay just for the reservation of the gelding before coming over and that will cost $350 .That will be payable to me to reserve him for you .Well i can still arrange for the hauling of the friesian over to you .Hauling of the friesian over to you will cost just $840 . That will be paid to the hauling agency that i will prefer to use and not to me and they will tell you how you will have to send the money for the gelding to be hauled over to you .If you prefer that i have him hauled over , then the price of the friesian will be paid only when he arrive safely and is in good health. there will be no reservation .If that is ok with you then i will have to register the gelding at the agency and they have him delivered over to you as soon as possible .I will need your personal information so that i have him registered in your name and address . the details needed are
Your full names……………………….
Your city………………………….
Home address/Delivery address………………….
Zip code…………………………………………
Mobile telephone number……………..
Landline telephone number…………………….
When i have all these details , i will then take him to the agency and do the registration . when i am done , i will get back to you as soon as possible and the agency will also contact you through email and phone on how shipment will proceed and how payments work.I will make sure i use a reliable hauling agency and they will have him hauled over.
Regards and hope to read from you as soon as possible
Just found your discussion on this scam-and indeed, it is a scam. My conversation with EVA GOOD ended with “I’ll forward my address to you, when can you come out?” This time, she is living in Billings, MT. I’m glad to find your site.
I hope they can find these fakes so maybe they will be put in jail.
Eva called me a few weeks ago not knowing I had talked to her before. I had little fun with her before she hung up on me.I couldn’t get back with # she called from.
I wish I could have gotten more info, but I did’t.
Sorry everyone.
Yuup, too good to be true is right on the bucket. We’ve been having an exchange with a supposed Mr (Mrs.?) Torres for about two days when the whole shipping deal came up. My dad (not being an English speaker) became way too excited before really giving it some thought. So they called us, and the man that called had a VERY heavy Indian accent. Umm hello? I know they send our jobs overseas but seriously. Here is a part of the letter.
[[[Hello ,
Thanks for the mail and interest on my friesian gelding .rex is
already taken . But i still have another friesian gelding
(Tango).Tango and is 16.2 hands 7 years old .He will come with all
health papers and one year health guarantee. this gelding {Tango} is
not only beautiful, completely healthy and sound, great, sane, trail
horse deluxe! has awesome four beat gaits.I am taking my horse off
the market as a riding horse as i do not have a rider for him since i
was involved in a car accident with my wife and both of us can't ride
anymore , therefore i am unable to take video's of him being ridden .;
This super gelding has the most amazing paces. His walk is huge with a
great over track. His trot is off the
floor, uphill, floating & extremely big. he has a fab canter which is
powered from behind. Tango has a lovely temperament. he is good in all
respects. he will travel in a trailer or lorry & is happy to stand in
the box munching hay at shows. he will hack out alone & in company.. he
is very forward when hacking so wouldn`t be suitable for a novice. he
has been cantered in open spaces & is very well behaved. When hacking
alone he has a good imagination but is not silly with it. Tango has
been lightly competed. Judges love him.. he always gets fab comments
like super paces (normaly receiving 8`s). In his last outing he
received 80% in a intro test being the winner in a class of 14!!Tango went through professional training. There he learned all the lateral movements & performs them very
well indeed. he is how ever rusty on Half pass as i am not sure how to
do this. he has an amazing medium trot as well. Recently a friend had
started training him in changes, he would still need more
training to perfect this but looked like he would pick this up with
ease. he has had regular coaching with Steven Cruikshank who is a
class 2 dressage judge. Tango can jump, but this is not my thing so he
could do with further education on this subject.
Before i brought him home from Germany when he was 2, he was
professionally trained & was put through his gelding performance with
super results. he scored the following; WALK 8. TROT 7. CANTER 7.
RIDABILITY 7 & 8. JUMPING2 X 7. he has full pink papers & is branded.
My Husband was an experienced beginner and he really enjoyed riding
where as I am an experienced rider and also enjoy riding tango. So
therefore, I am sure that it will be great for just about any riding
level from experienced beginner on up the scale. I also know that
tango would make a fantastic field trial horse if someone was
interested in him for that because tango has great endurance and
listens so well. I want tango to find a great home and will only sell
to such a home. Also, tango is fine with other horses or without them.
He has lived in a boarding situation before and did just as well as he
does in a private home situation.up to date on vaccines and dental
care. I don't know what else I can say about tango other than if you
are looking for a horse that will be the same everyday and bring you
hours of enjoyment whether out on the trail or in the pasture then, it
might be the horse for you! I thought I would go ahead and post him so
that somebody could start enjoying him during the nice Fall weather
that is soon approaching ..Before i let you have the gelding i will
like to know the following
Have you ever had a horse before ??
Do you own a Ranch??
Are you an experienced Rider or a Beginner??
How soon do you need this gelding ??
Where are you located ??
I am asking all these question so as to make sure that the gelding
gets into the hands of some one who will take proper care of the
gelding ..Do email me when you shall come to test ride and take the
horse along. Tango is for $1400 .please do email me when you are
ready to come over for test riding and pick up .find attached to this
mail some a picture of tango my Friesian Gelding .Please do email me
when you are fit to come over so that we arrange meeting
Thanks and waiting to read from you ]]]
First of all, it starts off as a male speaker — then switches to a female speaker half way. Later on when I ask WHY they have a spanish e-mail (the heading was actually in spanish) and they said they were Italian, knew English and Italian but not Spanish. ??? Then things got too.. iffy. Which culminated in me finding this site (many thanks to all who have shared btw, saved us almost a thousand dollars!) and sending a ‘personal’ email to the seller. I may be 17, but I’m not one to fall for silly games like these.
Please post you complains at http://fraudwatchers.org
Also had an exchange with these people, just seemed too good to be true, a freesian for 900 pounds. TANGO as his name was at this time was supposed to be in Cumbria then all of a sudden he was in the Isle of Wight. Horse hunter have taken this ad from their website now. Wish I could get my hands on these people Id throw them to my dogs as a treat.
DO UNDERSTAND ONE THING:
THOSE PSYCHOPATHS WOULD RATHER SELL A HORSE FOR MEAT – IF THEY HAD ONE THEN POST IT FOR AN ADOPTION!
THEY ARE PATHOLOGICAL LAYER’S, SCAMMERS, CRIMINALS WHO WOULD SELL THEIR OWN CHILD, SISTER OR MOTHER TO A PROSTITUTION RING!
DO NOT HAVE ANY SENTIMENTS WITH THOSE PARASITES!!
THEY ARE NOT HUMANS NOR ANIMALS – ANIMALS NOT NOT DO HARM!
JUST DO ALL OF US CIVILISED PEOPLE A FAVOR – POST INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE SCUMBAGS CRIMES EVERYWHERE!
Hi
I live in the UK and these scammers use the same scam’s over and over again. I answered an ad wanting more info about a gelding offered at £1500. I knew immediately from the response that it was a scam. The seller had poor English, they reduced the price without asking and wanted to get the horse transported and I pay when it arrived. I am much too long in the tooth to fall for such a poor scam, but I played along, gave them false details etc, until I had played long enough and informed them I knew their I.P address, could track them and that I had notified the advertising site of their scams. I also took the opportunity to increase their English vocabulary with words to describe them, not readily available in the English dictionary!! If a horse appears to be too cheap..then be wary. Nobody in their right mind should EVER agree to part with money or personal details to purchase a horse they had not been out to see, test ride, examine the passport and proof of ownership and have vetted. I just bought a horse from Spain, but not without speaking to the seller and taking a trip out to Benidorm to view and ride it. I reported another Scam regarding Friesians I saw today, the picture ’stolen’ from a reputable site in Holland. I posted the web page to them for their information and notified the advertising site. Use common sense and if something looks too good to be true, then it most likely is!! REPORT THESE LOW LIFES and DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR HARD EARNED CASH!!
This horse is now being advertised in WA as “Dupy” and/or “Denzeli” from someone using the email “bruniogrocio@yahoo.com”. The shipping company they want you to use is internationalequinehaulers.tk
Oh My God…. This lady is now using the name Kent for her friesian. Her add states he is a 6 yr old stallion and she said she was in a wheel chair and can’t ride… I reported her and tracked the computer she was using to respond to me. What a joke!!! who does this. I will post the reply she sent me. I beat her at her own game LOL, I used different emails to trap her… In fact I will post all her reply’s
Friesian Horse For Adoption?
From: jenniferkalex@aol.com
Sent: October 9, 2009 3:40:22 PM
To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
hello,
i was very pleased reading fro you, and because you took sometime to
explain how much good Kent will be to you and your family, my husband
is very positive and it is with this that i let you know that we have
decided above all ought to let you have Kent.
you have a very lovely family setting and we are pleased you will
welcome a visit from us if ever we are passing by. my health is not the
best too so i won’t write much.
your distance is far, i traveled with Kent all the way from Greece so
he’ll make the distances,it is going to cost you $ 2600 to have Kent
delivered to you in Toronto, and his journey will take 2 days or so, my
husband will look for a reliable animal delivery agency that will take
good care of Kent and bring him to you in one piece.
i will be needing your full names, home address and phone number so
that my husband can work out a transfer of ownership document to make
Kent legitimately yours and also to ease delivery to your home. get
back to me with this information and am sure by tomorrow mid day its
going to be done. how soon will you want Kent?
get back to me at your earliest convenience
kindest regard
I’ve always had a soft spot for the name Xander, can i have a picture
of your family that is if you don’t mind. thank you
HER 2 Reply
RE: Friesian Horse For Adoption?
From: jenniferkalex@aol.com
Sent: October 10, 2009 5:31:03 PM
To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
Hi Dow,
Nice reading from you once more and i really do appreciate your so
much interest in getting kent .I will rather prefer you send the money
to my husband so that he gets delivery arranged and ready for kent’s
delivery over to you as he is very used to arrangements of this sort, I
shall also be needing your full names,Home Address ,Phone number ,Barn
Address if any or Farm Address .With regards to sending the money over
to my husband i will prefer you send the money to him via Money Gram as
it is just a few blocks away from me so that we can get delivery ready
and sorted out in a short time .This is my husband address you shall be
sending the money to via Money Gram as i said .
Names……………………Yves Dupras
State…………………….. Florida
City………………………. Miami Beach
Zip code ……………….. 33139
One you do that do get back to me with the reference number so that my
husband can get the money and make all arrangements for kents delivery .
Kindest Regards
—–Original Message—–
From: Shannon Dow
To: friesian
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:21 pm
Subject: RE: Friesian Horse For Adoption
Hi Jennifer, what info did you need from me eactly….. I can send it
off to you and get the ball rolling!!!! Do I pay you for the annimal
delivery service or do I deal directly with them.. Just let me know so
I can get that to you so your husband can do what he needs to do…
Thanks and I hope to hear from you soon. Oh yes, we would love to have
kent come as soon aas possible..
Shannon Dow
> To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
> Subject: Friesian Horse For Adoption
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 01:23:23 -0400
> From: jenniferkalex@aol.com
>
> hello,
> thank you for your inquiry, i was actually re-thinking about
giving
> him out for adoption. well yes he is still available. i call him
Kent
> very calm and easy going.i had a car accident and my doctor said
that
> the accident affected my legs, so I can not ride a horse again. I
am on
> a wheelchair, and I can never walk again, I really love my horse,
so I
> want to find a new home for him, currently 15hh height and wei15hh height and weighs
350
> pounds, he is 6 years of age, he could be used in school, show and
as a
> riding horse, had a recent inspection and veterinary vaccines, and
> bending tests. He is very healthy, sound and jumps 2′6”on half,
but
> could be up to 3′5, the horse is very friendly and easy to
maintain, my
> husband is German and works in the UN and he does not like horses,
so i
> want a new home for the horse, in which the horse will be loved,
adored
> and treated with as much care. Kent will be coming along with all
his
> health, vaccination and registration papers, where do you live ?
we are
> located in FL. hoping to read from you soon.
> kindest regards,
>
this is the final one from this account
RE: REFriesian Horse For Adoption?
From: jenniferkalex@aol.com
Sent: October 14, 2009 4:14:02 PM
To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
hello Shannon
5pm is ok by me, when you are done let me know so that as soon as my
husband returns from work he can get it and then send you all the
details, you know he’s doing all the work alone.
kindest regards
—–Original Message—–
From: Shannon Dow
To: friesian
Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 7:53 pm
Subject: RE: REFriesian Horse For Adoption
Hi jenni, all should be finalized by 5pm, so let me know when you get
this. Also if you could send Kents registration number that would be
appreciated!
Shannon
> To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
> Subject: REFriesian Horse For Adoption
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:27:46 -0400
> From: jenniferkalex@aol.com
>
> hello Shannon
> i have not received any email money transfer and more so i
gave you
> my husbands details so you do a money gram which is close to the
house
> and easy to cash and get Kent to you, please do a money gram
transfer i
> will really prefer that if you don’t mind, and when you talk of
> traceable in another sense you don’t really trust me or what? why
would
> i risk my husbands job or reputation because of $2600, i need for
you
> to trust me like i trust you to let you have Kent.
> Do well to get back to me when you are done with the money
gram, and
> my husband will have finalize arrangements here and get back to
you
> asap,
> Kindest regards
> Jenni
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Shannon Dow <dowshannon22@hotmail.com>
> To: friesian <jenniferkalex@aol.com>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 8:03 am
> Subject: RE: Friesian Horse For Adoption
>
> Hi Jenni, I assume you got the picture of our family!!!!
> Also I have sent you a email money transfer to you account, that
way
> you can do what you want with the funds. This way you can move it
to
> your bank account or whatever and its traceable so it wont get
lost.
> Write me back so I know it has arrived to your email address, if
not I
> will find another means to send it to you via paypal. Sometimes
email
> money transfer doesn’t work. Could you send me the registration
> document snow that your husband has them all done. Write me back
soon I
> am hoping we can get kent here by the end of the weekend.
>
> Shannon
>
>
>
> > To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
> > Subject: Friesian Horse For Adoption
> > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:22:15 -0400
> > From: jenniferkalex@aol.com
> >
> > hello Shannon,
> > hope you had a great day, my husband is done with the
> necessary
> > documents for Kent’s save delivery to you, and he was
wondering
> when
> > you will get the money sent so he contacts he’s friend that
will
> > personally supervise Kent’s delivery to your home.
> > We are eager to see pictures of you and Kent when he
arrives at
> your
> > home, remember that we are letting you have Kent because we
know
> you
> > will offer him the home we failed to give him.
> > i will be waiting to read from you then.
> > Kindest regards
> > jenni
> >
> >
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Shannon Dow <dowshannon22@hotmail.com>
> > To: friesian <jenniferkalex@aol.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:37 pm
> > Subject: RE: Friesian Horse For Adoption
> >
> > Hi Jenni, I was just reading your reply and seen the info I
sent
> you.
> > That was not the format that message was sent, I hope you
> understood
> > everything ok. I was also wondering where Kent will be
traveling
> from
> > exactly….
> > Thanks for the Thanksgiving wishes, we had a great time. I
went to
> a
> > fair to watch the horses pulls and events, they had a friesian
> > competing this year. I got a chance to ride him and it seems
that
> breed
> > handle very well with minimal training. This was a young
horse
> with
> > little training and I found him to be very calm,a pleasure to
> > ride. That makes me want Kent here even more!!!! I am not
sure if
> I
> > asked before but how does Kent do with other horses.
> > ..Is he
> > registered…
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> >
> >
> > > To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
> > > Subject: RE: Friesian Horse For Adoption
> > > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:12:36 -0400
> > > From: jenniferkalex@aol.com
> > >
> > > hey Shannon,
> > > lovely reading from you, i hope you enjoyed your
> thanksgiving
> > with
> > > your family, glad you sent your details too. my husband
will
> work
> > out
> > > every single detail and get back to you soonest. have a
> splendid
> > > evening.
> > > Jennie
> > >
> > > —–Original Message—–
> > > From: Shannon Dow <dowshannon22@hotmail.com>
> > > To: friesian <jenniferkalex@aol.com>
> > > Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:33 pm
> > > Subject: RE: Friesian Horse For Adoption
she honestly thought I was sending the money LOL! I wanted to see if she received the family picture I never sent her HA!
The other accounts I used she gave a quote for $3100 and $1600
The same lady emailed me only this time she was a 14.1hh 5 year old mare called Haisi. She threw the horse at me and expected me to provide all my personal details within 3 days.
My mum thought it sounded too good to be true so I then decided to research it. That was when the same email address I had googled came up on three different websites with the same horse and the same rider under different names. I’m from the UK but other websites with the same horse on were also from as far as the US.
If anyone contacts you under this email address about a Fresian horse for adoption then please remember this post. melanidiote@gmail.com
I am having the same type of interaction as Shannon has had I will post on my blog http://qthorse.blogspot.com/
I have had this same scam attempt on me. I will be posting my interactions with her on my blog . I hope that by posting this at more places it will reach a greater # people and no one will be fooled in to paying for shipping on a horse that does not exist.
WHY ARE YOU ALL GREEDY, YOU BUY A HORSE WHICH IS SOLD FOR $25000-$30000 FOR $900-2000, WHEN YOU GET SCAMMED YOU , CRY, GET LOST YOU GREEDY FOX.
I had the same experience as many are discussing. The horse’s name was Lenny. He is still listed at http://www.equinehits.com id # 276534. I realized that it was a scam early but continued emails to see how far they are willing to go. Mathew Sims Mathewsims33@yahoo.com (owner)posted the ad it Arizona and now lives in Louisiana. He gave me a fake vet name, fake transport service,etc. I talked with the owner and the transport company. I could bearly understand them and both numbers were unavailable. The key to understanding if you have a scam – if it is too good to be true, it is!! It seems that most of the emails have broken english as a common thread. There are no limits to what humans will do to get money without working!
***MAJOR SCAM ORGANIZATION!***
Anytime on a pet selling website you see an ad for a purebred animal worth many more times than it is being sold for, do NOT reply to it. These scammers are a small group of people from Cameroon or Nigeria and have ads on all of the major pet selling/adoption websites. Never send personal information or full names because you could also become an alias they use to scam someone else. They have been found to have collected over $350k from unsuspecting buyers. NEVER wire money, buy any pet unless you or a reliable source can see the animal in person, and USE WISE JUDGEMENT. why would an animal normally worth $15,000 now be worth $1500 or less. If you’re in Tennessee and look for horses in that state and the horse happens to be located somewhere else and some strange “catastrophy” happened wherethey much give away their animal, just don’teven give them a reply. Delete the email and avoid suspicious ads.
Thanks,
K.
I just almost fell for this scam, a lady called Cate who is extremely ill, just lost her husband and is also pregnant, giving away a 9yo friesian. I found the ad on a dutch site with the aid of babelfish, but miraculously she is in UK with the horse. She wanted me to wire 480 euros to cameroon for delivery of the horse. The “shipping company” also phoned me and I told them I would either pay cash on delivery of the horse or find my own shippers, but Cate would not give me the address of where to collect the horse!
I played along with this to see how far it would go, I told her my little boy wanted to re name the horse Goliath after the horse in ladyhawke, and he is sooo excited, (which is untrue as I did not wish to disappoint hint him) but I also told her of my very true health problems, in the last 3 years I have had varicelle pneumonia which nearly killed me, breast cancer and now sarcoidosis, she was still willing to rip me off!
Unfortunately there are some genuine people out there looking for good homes for horses, I was given for free and beautiful 10 yo fully papered PRE stallion, high school trained who I totally adore. He has a very slight back problem which I was aware of, and I was asked to pay for shipping up front, but I checked out the shipping company and found them to be one of the top companies operating in Europe, I phoned their office from the web address and everything was in order, so beware, but sometimes fairy tales do come true!
This is a scam I came across…
This was the original email that I sent out…
Hi,
I am interested in your horse. Could you please let me know where you are located?
Do you have more pictures?
Thanks,
The responce…
hello Valerie,what i need is a home for him.i had him listed for theprice of 6000$ but no one could afford the price and i really need anurgent home for him since i have to go back to UK and meet my family.ihave not seen my family for 12 years now and i really have to go andmeet them so i am not selling him because it is going to take moretime again.what i need for him now is 2000$ including the deliveryfee to your location so if you can afford that them we will get everypaper work ready so that the courier agency can bring him over toyou okay .my address is 2377 Collins ave,Miami beach, Floridawaiting to read you write.
I replied
My question to you is where are you located? I would like to come see him and I need to know the state the horse is located in.
This is his reply
NEW YORK,USA AND YOU?
My reply…
Can you please give me an address so that I can book an airplane to come and see him? Do you have a phone # that I can have?
His reply…
hello Valerie,
> what i need is a home for him.i had him listed for the
> price of 6000$ but no one could afford the price and i really need an
> urgent home for him since i have to go back to UK and meet my family.i
> have not seen my family for 12 years now and i really have to go and
> meet them so i am not selling him because it is going to take more
> time again.what i need for him now is 2000$ including the delivery
> fee to your location so if you can afford that them we will get every
> paper work ready so that the courier agency can bring him over to
> you okay .my address is 2377 Collins ave,Miami beach, Florida
> waiting to read you write.
My reply…
You previously told me that you lived in New York and now Florida..MAKE UP YOUR MIND YOU STUPID SCAMMER…. I HOPE PEOPLE LIKE YOU GO TO HELL
His reply…
what are you talking about ?i am based in Miami .i always go to NY tosort out stuff from my old apartment
For all of you Friesian lover….Please don’t be fooled. Friesians are rarely for sale under $8,000 and make sure you can visit the horse before purchase.
Email address was or is…
twoproudparents101@gmail.com
I have found 5 Friesians for “adoption” to good home. They all are well cared for and excellent dressage prospects. All have different names. But every one is the same horse with the same rider. I live in Texas and they are listed here. But upon contact with “owner” they have been in California, West Virginia, North Dakota and Cameroon. Am waiting to hear back about others. SCAM SCAM SCAM!!!! And a friend of mine found one and received the exact same email as me, but 6 months later. So yeah, don’t fall for it.
Another Cameroon Scam with Friesian / Morgan Horse comes from sonitawilliams@gmail.com
Advertising a $2000 horse – eventually sends information, photos etc and requests Money Gram to Cameroon
Was posted on the Australian Web Site myaushorse.com.au
I feel sorry for the honest site owners and the honest sellers and buyers that get hit by these SCAMS !
DO NOT SEND THIS PERSON ANY MONEY
ceciliasuns@yahoo.com <<< scammer. Was posted on numerous sites. When I was looking he was selling Friesians for $700 and I just was wondering why they were so cheap so I sent an e-mail. He wanted to know my information right away and I didn't give it to him period. I said for 1. I have to find a board and 2. I need more info. Tried to say he would give me two Friesians for absolutely nothing and that $700 was for shipping to Atlanta because he lives in Texas (although it was posted as Atlanta). I e-mailed him back and said well, I'm sure the hauling company won't mind me to pay them when the horses get here and that I refuse to pay without the horses physically infront of me. I get a reply that says
"Sorry.Talk to you later.someone just emailed me wanting both of them tomorrow and she is willing to pay $100 extra for my patience.I really wanted you to get them but you are taking so long and i have to get back to work.Sorry"
And I just let him know I was aware of his scam and let it be at that. Please don't get hooked by this because I'm new to the horse thing so even though it seemed too good to be true, I really wanted to believe it was true because I want an awesome horse for cheap. Just be careful and that e-mail is the e-mail of contact. THIS PERSON IS A SCAMMER.
It annoys me so much that some genuine horses out there (like my beautiful PRE) will get bypassed as a scam because of these people. I am so lucky to have him, but he came from a reputable place. My only advice is to say that you will find your own transport and pay haulage to them. If they wont give you the address of where the horse is held then you can think that it is a scam, but there again, so many horses are being stolen, would genuine people wish to give address out of where an expensive horse is being held????
It is the way of the world it seems, to be untrusting of people, and to get scammed if you do trust people, it is so bloody sad!
Thank you so much for posing this nformation. If i hadnt seen it i would tomorrow be paying for delivery of the beautiful “Dezel”. Thats one xmas suprise i really didnt need. Thanks again!
Go all the latest details on where, how ect and passport of horse.
Want to cath these f****kers anybody that are willing to protect the athore people out there as well as the great name of the Friesian build up throug the years they ar breaking down.
If anybody need more info please mail me at aggressiveaudio@webmail.com
I have seen so many different names for this horse…. The scammer also uses several names and email. She isn’t to bright as she keeps sending the same pictures with each horse she tries to sell. She does need to be stopped… this is her newest one
RE: Black Huge Friesian Gelding?
From: Larisa Holmes (larisaholmes@yahoo.com)
Sent: November 24, 2009 6:00:54 AM
To: Shannon Dow (dowshannon22@hotmail.com)
Hi,
That will be nice of you if you will prefer to come get Landy yourself.But please you have to be fast since I will be leaving by Thursday for my medical check up and I will be back only after the Christmas break.
Also you have to pay for the adoption fee to the orphans home center in the UK so that they can help the needy.I have already contacted them and promised to help them.So I will get to you with their payment data so that you can make the payment directly to them.ok
Hope to read from you soon.
— On Mon, 11/23/09, Shannon Dow wrote:
From: Shannon Dow
Subject: RE: Black Huge Friesian Gelding
To: larisaholmes@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 5:28 PM
Hi, I would prefer to come get him myself if thats ok?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:48:14 -0800
From: larisaholmes@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Black Huge Friesian Gelding
To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
Hi,
thanks very much for the mail.As you can see,all i need is just for a loving and caring person to give Landy the love he deserves.I will be out of town for a medical check up and will not be around for a while.But I have entrusted you as the right person for Landy and hope you promise to take very good care of him.
I have already contacted a reliable delivery service and they have promised to ship Landy to your home.They will also be coming with all of Landy valid papers along.So you just have to get to me with your full delivery details so that I can take Landy to the delivery agency and confirm his shipping to your home,ok:
Your full names………..
Home address…………
Phone number…………..
Postal codes……………
As soon as you get to me with this details I will take Landy to the delivery agency,ok.
Hope to read from you soon.
Kind regards,
Holmes.
— On Sat, 11/21/09, Shannon Dow wrote:
From: Shannon Dow
Subject: RE: Black Huge Friesian Gelding
To: larisaholmes@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 9:40 PM
I would like to come pic him up myself if that is ok? I can come at the first of the week if ou get back to me sometime today…. thanks again
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:29:55 -0800
From: larisaholmes@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Black Huge Friesian Gelding
To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
Hi,
I am more than happy reading again from you.Hope all is well with you and yours.
All I need is just a loving and caring person to give Landy the love he deserve.
He jumps very well and even takes to voice command.
I am letting him go because I got involved in an accident and I am not health wise OK.So I will not be able to give Landy the love he deserves.
I am presently with my family at Augusta in Maine State and I am here with Landy.
You just have to promise me that you will take very good care of him and keep me up dated with his up keep..He is very adorable and you will really love him.
Please when exactly will you be expecting him so that I can start making arrangement for his shipping to your home?
I have contacted a reliable shipping agency and they have promised to do the delivery safely to your home.
I am giving him out just for $1300 in which you will have to pay the money directly to an orphanage center I have been in contact with and have promised to help them.
Thanks very much for the mail and hope to read from you soon.
Regards,
Holmes.
— On Sat, 11/21/09, Shannon Dow wrote:
From: Shannon Dow
Subject: RE: Black Huge Friesian Gelding
To: larisaholmes@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 12:13 AM
hi, the pictures don’t look like the same horse??? How much are you asking for him?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:58:37 -0800
From: larisaholmes@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Black Huge Friesian Gelding
To: dowshannon22@hotmail.com
Hi ,
I am very happy reading from you in regards of my Friesian gelding for adoption.He is called Landy ..He is 10 years 6 months and regular in his vet visit. He is in very good health,and well trained for English and western pleasure.He is also trained for family use and ridding pleasure,
He is presently 16.2hh and black in color.He is good at trail ridding
and love to be in a pasture with other horses.He is very playful and
welcoming especially to kids and other pets like dogs very well and can get along very well with other horses in a pasture. He has completed his 90 days training so his now a dressage horse and
at such can stand with two back legs. He can take voice command and loves kids as well as visitors. He is well known for dressage, and showing – A Champion Show Horse.He is with beautiful,elegant,
movements .This gelding will take your breath away.He trot high,
perfectly in time. A good matching driving horse to find,he have very,
very good characters, no nervousness.He is bombproof in traffic,
having experience passing trains, building yards etc..He manage
exceptionally well in any forms of traffic. This is of course very
important when driving,they have the most exceptional manners.He will be sure to impress you. He is Very polite, very loving Friesian..
He come to call. Box and shoe excellently. With thick black manes, and tails, and his big brown eyes,he look absolutely stunning.He have amazing little characters, with their loving ways,he is gorgeous!!I
Please have you ever raised such a breed before?
Are you a breeder?
Do you have kids?
Will you be able to take care of Him and his supplies?
Where are you located precisely?
I have just attached some of the horse photos.Hope you will love them.
Thanks for the mail and waiting to read from you as soon as possible.
Regards,
Holmes.
HERE IS A NOTORIOUS PUPPY / BIRDS / HORSES SCAMER FROM CAMERON:
from: lincoln brice
subject: The Horse Exchange – Horse Sales Advert No: 85845
Hi there , thanks for the mail regarding our baby Dan . He is still
available and we are still seeking for a new home for him . we will
like to know the experience you have had with horses ??? if you have
had any before ??? how soon you need him ?? where you are located ,
we
are presently located in Uk , precisely in London
, here is our
telepphone number ,you can call us at anytime you which for more
details on how our baby can get to you and what we need from you
,+447031870448 ,as soon as you get back to us will show you pictures
of our baby
will be waiting to hear from you as soon as you see this mail
best regards
IF YOU GOOGLE HIS NUMBER, YOU WILL FIND OUT MORE
HIS LATEST E-MAIL IS: lincoln brice lincolnbrice@gmail.com
HE ALSO USES: dallenlopez@yahoo.com juliaandreas45@gmail.com
Also has a ad at freehorseads.com ad#157790.On both sights the horse has different names.The scammer that wrote me back was JulianMirre.Please use precautions.These criminals are worthless human beings.Iam a vet tech and have worked on friesians for at least 10 years.I have never seen one sell for that cheap.What a wonderful creature they are.I would love to own one.
Well they are still at it. I to was almost lured in until I was asked for personal information and the horse moved locations overnight!
This person claimed to be Daniela Medina and wanted to sell the horse for $3200.00. Then when I stopped communicating they offered to lower the price as well. Then they got mixed up with which emails they had already replied to and replied again to an earlier email with the old location information.
Pretty sorry scammer when they can’t keep their story straight even through email!
Here is the email address of this person:
medina0501@hotmail.com
Here is the content from their emails:
Email 2:
Hi ,
it was nice reading from you again.I am so impressed with the mail you just wrote to me .This really made me to understand that you are a horse lover.I have loved horse all my life and I had my first horse when I was 12 which was a Tennessee walker and was bought for me by my grand father as a birthday gift.He was suffering from an influenza which affected his lung.He had nasal discharge and lost of appetite .I tried all I could but he passed away. So Jeanna is a nice horse and the reason why I am selling him is that I got posted here in Triangle,Virginia for a new job that I acquired which is very demanding and I won’t have time to care for Jeanna anymore.He is a nice horse and I don’t want to stress him nor make him feel unloved.he is always alone and feeling very bored so I want him to go to a good,caring and loving home where he is going to be given much attention.Like I said that I am now in Virginia and Jeanna is here with me so I was suggesting that you could come down here and see him then take him along .If you feel that coming here could be stressful to you and prefer that I arrange for a safe transportation and delivery of Jeanna to your home,then it is up to you deciding and letting me know. If you decide to come down here,then you should let me know when you shall be coming .If you decide that I have him transported and delivered to your home ,since you will be paying for the transportation of Jeanna also,I can help in reducing the price of the horse.I really want the best for him so I don’t want anyone who will be taking Jeanna to stress so I am going to send him with the tack,saddle and the blanket,so you won’t be buying any of these things.For Jeanna to be transported to your home,I will need to have your full names,full home address,phone number,state,city and zip code which will be used by the hauler to deliver Jeanna right to your home so you won’t be going to pick him up from somewhere.I will be waiting to hear from you soon,
Daniela Medina
– Email 1
Hi,thank you for the interest in my horse Jeanna.I just want to tell you that he is still available right now.Yes this horse is currently in US.He trailers well and is good for farrier,vet,etc.He has 2-3 times riding per week but he is ready to go even 5 time per week . He is regular on his vet and his shots are up to date .He has all his paper work done.This horse has been trained for trail riding, show,dressage and is undergoing his 2nd dressage level .He has also been ridden western and English. He has a gentle personality and will do well with kids and other house pets.He is good for beginner and intermediate riders. He is very friendly and playful to them.He is DNA tested , can take voice command and he does not easily become spoke and is broke to ride,even a seven year old child can handle him. He is a good listener to his rider and love to be taken out for a ride.He is very sound and ok in health , no vices and he has never been ill nor injured .He has never been affected by any disease due to the fact that his vaiccines are given regularly. If your looking for a dressage ,show or trail gelding , it doesn’t get any better than this.Jeanna is very much dressage type,an eager student and very willing to work hard for his rider and also willing to learn . I don’t say these things lightly as they are not easy things to do but Jeanna is really that special. He has lots of professional training including clinics with late Bren Daker.No regret to anyone who is going to have Jeanna . In fact,he is going to make a perfect family member . I just want to ask if you have ever owned a horse and for how long? I will a also like to know where you live so that I can invite you to my place for viewing and pickup of Jeanna . I will also like to know how soon you will want to bye this my horse? I will be waiting to hear fom you soon
Friesian Adoption Scam from Cameroon
Without getting into detail, my daughter identified the following e-mail addresses as being associated with the caption noted fraudulent activity masked as a Friesian Adoption. nicole.rota78@yahoo.com and cliffordherman@live.com. The name being used for the Friesian at this time is, “Danny”. The shipping company name from Cameroon is called, International Pet Flight (IPFlight) using the following e-mail address: intpet.flight@usa.com. Payment via Western Union wire tranfer was required to the following address before shipment would occur.
NAME:……………. .ACHANKENG ACHA SALOMON
ADDRESS:…………. .12 MAIN ROAD
CITY:……………….TIKO
COUNTRY…………….CAMEROON
ZIP………………..00237
The above has been supplied to prevent legitimately concerned equestrians from being victims of fraudulent activity.
Tom
RM of Springfield, Manitoba, Canada
Wow okay this is CRAZY
I am all the way in South Africa but got three of the same responses from different people. One from South Africa, one from Botswana and one from USA.
This is what the responses said:
First one: Cham Carlos (USA)
Hello,
Thanks for your interest on my huge,black ,talk,long eared,deep round goldeneyed
friesian gelding boy available for adoption .This baby is already name
Mandela .he is
8 years 6 months and regular in his vet visit. This baby is not
registered,but he is well trained for English and western pleasure.
He is also trained for family use and ridding pleasure,
He is presently 16hh and black in color
He is good at trail ridding and love to be in a pasture with other
horses.He is very playful
and welcoming especially to kids and other pets like dogs very well
and can get along very well with other horses in a pasture.
he has completed his 90 days training so his now a dressage horse and
at such can stand with two back legs.
he can take voice command and loves kids as well as visitors
before letting this baby out i would love to know if you have ever
raise such a breed before and the purpose for adopting him because i
do not want to give him out to a trader rather as a pet to a horse
loving ,riders,beginners and intermediaries…
families.
I would also like to know your location so as to know
how we can invite you over for viewing and trial ridding.i also
will like to know
when you are ready for the baby as i would really love him to go to
a nice home. feel free to mail me at at anytime .i would email you
more pictures,information and vet papers as soon as i hear from you
Waiting………….
hello,
i now believe you can take good care of this horse and my wife
and i have decided to hand over this horse to you on one condition.
If you are going to be able to take good care of his shipping to your location?
If yes then we will like to know when you will want to have him so
thaty we can contact the shippers and get him registered for shipping.
Merry Merry
Ok that will be nice i will be waiting to read from you when you must
have spoken to your parents.
i am from Nissaw Minnesota USA
Hello,
The horse can be shipped from USA to SA and the shipping fee
will be $800 equivalent to R 6,053.42
I have also attach some lovely photos of the horse ,my daughter , my
wife our trainer and our vet.
Below are also some copies of his vet papers for you to view and
confirm his current health status.
Second one: Bob Bradley (Botswana)
He is a very tall , nice moving friesian gelding. He has an
attitude that will take him all the way in the show ring.
It is difficult to find a poor picture of him, as he is so photogenic.
Although showy with attitude, he is very easy to handle and just eats
up any attention he can get. he is currently the most lovely home
raise and riding pleasure horse i have ever seen for now,he has is
black huge healthy can take voice command and can stand on his two
back legs. this gelding is registered and he weighs about 1000
to 1200lbs
he is black in color and also very good with other horses in pasture
and will as well come with all tacks,hand book and video.I will be giving him out because i do not have a good and suitable range her for him.The love shown on him is so minimal that i believe it is so poor for an animal.
he is ready for free adoption to a forever loving and caring home and i am ready to feed you with more
info and photos
Discipline Halter Reining
Dressage Driving Working Cow Horse
Trained Prospect Trained Green Prospect
Breed Friesian
Gender Gelding
Age 7 y.o.
Height 15.3 hands
Color Black
I will love to get that assurance from you that he will be in loving and caring
hands.
Equally just to inquire
Have owned a horse before?
Do you have a ranch?
Do you have kids?
Are you married?
Have you got a good range for him?
please get back with answers to this questions thanks.
This shows that you are the real person for him.You will really enjoy having him
in your companion. he is a good and lovely companion. I am giving him out
on a free adoption
because of my present health condition. I have been diagnosed of severe
Blood Cancer
I don’t have the time and don’t see the possibility of taking care of him. I will be traveling very soon out of the country for more health attention. I am located in Francis Town Botswana so if you can come for view
and pick up fine but if not then you don’t need to worry
yourself. he will be delivered to you without any problem or
stress. i will make all necessary arrangements such as
preparation of the change of ownership paper, registration
for him for delivery and other little arrangements and as soon
as all is set then you will have him delivered to you, well
also do promise me that you will be sending to me monthly
updated pictures to know how he is doing and i will be very
happy about it.well he will be coming with all registration
paper works. if that is okay you then i will
like you to get back to me with your full contact address
so that i start right away with the delivery arrangements
such as..
Your Full Names
Your City
Your Home Address
Your Post Code
Your Phone Number
well everything will cost you just R 3500.For Transparency you are only going to pay R 1500 for transportation and upon delivery,you make the completion
, if that is okay by
you then get back to me asap so that i can start with the
arrangements.
Third one: Daniel Frysler (South Africa) But he also said on other ads that is from USA, Cameroon and a lot of other places:
Hello and thank you for the interest in my Horses . Actually i have two horses , a Freisian Gelding and a Freisian Mare horses and i will like start by giving you some background information about them …
Height………………….16.1+ Hands,
Gelding………………..Jason ( black )
Mare……………………Jesse ( brown )
Weight…………………1250 pds
Health Status………..Vet Checked
Age………………………9 years
Discipline……………..Dressage
Temperament……….Quiet ,willing ,hard working and sensitive
Jason and Jesse have a special look that can´t be described: sweet and very
affectionate. They all have a good conformation of the body and will
become a bit taller . Have a long head with short ears on a crested neck with a luxurious mane. The body is strong and well muscled, the tail thick and the legs feathered.
Character
Affectionate in all the ways, easy going non-complicated character,
intelligent and cool minded are the words which describe them best
Mo vement
Very good forward going movement with nice knee action; works through
the whole body. Has trots which are easy to sit in and a smooth canter
Extra’s
Lovely horses which will make a perfect family horse with potential for
dressage and showing characteristics
Potential
They are trained riding and driving horses, used to traffic, dogs
, children and other household pet , dressage competition, pleasure riding,
and driving. can do well in dressage competition due to their movement,
trainability, appearance, power, and body control. also remains popular as
a carriage horse, as they are powerful horses .
I just suffered from a car accident that affected my spine and i
was advised by my doctor not to ride anymore .so i am looking for that
loving and caring family that will adopt him and spoil him with much
love and care .
Please i will like to ask you some few question’s to gain your
experience in Horse Care
Are you married ?
How many kids do you have ?
Do you have a stable ?
What do you think about horses ?
Have you ever owned a horse before ?
What is your exact location ?
Please get back to me with answers to the above questions
so i could forward you some of his pictures.
Thanks
Daniel Frysler
Hello and thank you very much for getting back to me in regards to the adoption of my horses . i am also very very happy and pleased with your responses and i now believe my horses will have a wonderful with you and the rest of the family .
The accident which caused the major damage on my spine has caused me to have to hit the wheelchair for the next 3 years . this has made me to relocate to my parents in Pretoria – South Africa because i had nobody back there who could take good care of me and the horses . i have to give them out because i do not want them to grow naughty since they have had some good training. it is also very bad for your horses to have to spend all their days at the stable . so that is why i am looking for that lovely family and home that will give them the love and care they deserve .
I do not believe in selling animals that is why i am not asking for an adoption fee after them . they can be used for eventing, shows, and trail . they have also had a complete 90 days dressage training and are good for endurance riding and loves kids . You can also use them in whatsoever field you want to use them since they are well trained and have almost passed through all the various stages in horse training.
So the only way you will receive any or both of them is by me setting up a delivery for you and they will be delivered to you at your home . all what you will be required to pay will be the transportation and delivery charges . so please i will like to know if you want both of them or just one to be delivered to you so that i can contact some delivery agencies and get a reasonable price quote for the transportation and delivery of the horses to your home .
Thanks and i wait to read from you at your convenience .
Daniel Frysler
Hello and thanks for the mail . the horses are presently with me in Pretoria . i had to relocate with them because i had nobody who could take proper care of them . i also did make some inquiries about the transportation and delivery cost of Jason and i got a reasonable price quote of R 4785 . this money will be paid directly to the delivery agency that will be responsible for the transportation and delivery and everything has already been put in place . so please let me know if you will be willing to pay for his transportation and delivery and also let me know when exactly you want him to be delivered to you . thanks and waiting for your prompt response .
Hello and thanks for the mail . i don’t know so much about the payment terms but i believe a certain percentage will be paid before so that his flight ticket can be purchase and the rest will be paid when you receive him at your home . so please let me know exactly when you want him to be delivered to you so that i can arrange all his documents and his equipments and get him ready . thanks and waiting …… Also extend my warmth Christmas greetings to your parents .
I then told him that I can’t just pay that amount and also mentioned to him that I can pick him up in January and this was his reply:
Hello and thanks for the mail . i am also very sorry for the late reply . i was at the hospital for some check up on my spine . i was very happy when you made mentioned of the fact that Jason will be picked up from Pretoria but it is rather unfortunate that my doctor made me to understand that i need a major operation on my spine as soon as possible and i will therefore be traveling to the states for that operation before the 25th . so it is very clear that i have to let him out before that day . please i know it will kind of disturb you a little but i want to assure you that everything will be ok .
I also understand you cannot afford all the transportation and delivery fee but i want to let you know that i am very willing and able to help you complete the balance . so please let me know how much you can afford so that i can complete it and we pay for Jason to travel . please kindly get back to me as soon as possible so that we can get things arranged for Jason to travel . i also want to thank you for your understanding .
…………………………..
I also received an e-mail from his “wife” that read:
Hello and thank you for the interest in my horse and i will like start
by giving you some background information about him …
Height………………….16.1+ Hands,
Color…………………….Brown
Weight…………………1150 pds
Health Status…………Vet Checked
Sex……………………..Gelding
Age………………………9 years
Kaki is a handsome boy; just take a look at his head and you will
be sold! He has a special look that can´t be described: sweet and very
affectionate. He has a good conformation of the body and will
become a bit taller than he is now.
Character
Affectionate in all the ways, easy going non-complicated character,
intelligent and cool minded are the words which describe him best
Movement
Very good forward going movement with nice knee action; works through
the whole body. He has a trot which is easy to sit in and a smooth canter
Extra’s
Lovely horse which will make a perfect family horse with potential for
dressage and showing
Potential
He is a trained riding and driving horse, used to traffic, dogs
, children and other household pet .
I just suffered from a car accident that affected my spine and i
was advised by my doctor not to ride anymore .so i am looking for that
loving and caring family that will adopt him and spoil him with much
love and care .
Please i will like to ask you some few question’s to gain your
experience in Horse Care
Are you married ?
How many kids do you have ?
Do you have a stable ?
What do you think about horses ?
Have you ever owned a horse before ?
What is your exact location ?
Please get back to me with answers to the above questions
so i could forward you some of his pictures.
Thanks, Anita
Hope this information helps!!
Their e-mail addresses:
Daniel: dfrysler@yahoo.co.uk
Anita: anitabuls@yahoo.com
Hope this is helpful!!
Alyce
Watch out guys, their latest scam is free squirrel monkeys…Saw the add on gumtree. But the picture is one that was taken in a zoo and was used for cute pictures in e-mails to friend. Their language is also broken and they use very bad english…
Alyce
Oh PS:
They also have the same add for the squirrel monkeys in various categories, (including the dog- and cat categories :-/ uhmmmm)
But they posted it under various e-mails cause when you choose to view the poster’s other ads, only the one you’re viewing appears. Although they use the same address in all ads….Weird. i already reported all three as scam to the gumtree company..Hopefully they remove it very, very soon!!
Gotta love these dummies. Who would give away a Friesian with FTSE349 bloodlines. After numerous emails, the seller had agreed to GIVE this horse to us with the agreement of me to pay for shipping of $350.00. They never would provide a phone number or answer any questions about the horse in the emails. Just wanted to hurry up and give the horse away so they could travel to Canada. Wanting to know if this was a scam,I played along. We arrainged for this to take place and recieved an invoice from the shipping company via email and a phone call. The shipping company required a $400 Western Union transfer before the horse would ship. The invoice only had international phone #s and the shipper would not provide a US phone number. Once I asked the shipping agency if this was the “White” Paint we inquired about his answer was “Yes”. So Itold him he had been “BUSTED” As you can tell the add was for a Freisian. (Black).
Hi
The horse’s name is not ebony anymore, it changed to Jeff, and i almost fell for this scheme today.
chantelle
THE HORSE’S NAME IS NOW SPIKY i INQUIRED ABOUT THIS HORSE. SHE CLAIMED IT WAS 9 YRS OLD SHE HAD A NEW JOB AND A MEDICAL TECH AND HER BROTHER WAS IN A CAR ACCIDENT LAST YEAR AND NO LONGER ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF HIM. SHE SAID HE WAS A GELDING AND LIVED IN ALASKA AND IT WOULD COST 1000.00 TO SHIP AND 50.00 FOR HOME DELIVERY. SHE SENT PICTURES AND THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME PICTURES POSTED IN THE AD…..I HAVE SEVERAL PICTURES SHE SENT AND IT’S THE EXACT SAME LADY RIDING THE HORSE AS ON HERE…..
There are alot of these ads on horsetopia.com. I tried to alert them to this but it appears that they are of a suspicious nature. There was no way to report the scams to the site. Just a big runaround. The horses had many different names, no pictures, but all of the nonsense that goes with it.
I recently sent an e-mail to a man claiming to adopting out his friesian. All I said was “free friesian, whats the catch?” Roy or Jesse James, which ever he prefers to be called by sent me an e-mail back about his gelding Hanoverian mare which he referred to constantly as ‘her’ but also said twice in the e-mail that ’she’ was a gelding. His questions about the horse were vague and dumb “can you cover the cost of a horse? will your children be kind to the horse” etc. Yet his ad was clearly for a friesian. I smell a scam and I don’t think this person has any idea what they are talking about. A warning to buyers.
I contacted this person about the beautiful horse she called Spiky. She claimed she was in Alaska and her brother owned the horse since 2 years old it’s now 9 years old..She sent the exact same pictures that is on this site…She claimed she had a job and her brother was in a car accident and no longer was able to take care of the horse…She claimed it would cost 1000.00 to ship the horse from Alaska to Indiana and 50.00 dollar delivery to home…What a scam how how this person continue to get away with this? I have the pictures she sent to me and it’s the exact same pictures if anyone would like to see the pics i was sent and email the email feel free to contact me and I will be more than happy to sent the emails from her…I wanted this horse really bad as I have ms and wanted a horse that is good for beginners and great with children….I have a love for horses and Spiky as she called him was all i have wanted a in a horse….I’m so broken hearted and glad I clicked on this site to find out about the scam….I don’t understand how someone can scam others esp handicap people…..Thank you so much for putting this on the net if not I would have been out of a lot of money….If anyone has a beautiful black horse willing to sell that is kid safe please contact me…….THIS IS A TERRIBLE SCAM AND THANKS TO THIS POSTING I’M NOT OUT OF 1000.00 OR MORE……THANK YOU AGAIN
Hi I contacted this lady about the horse she got back to me within 15 minutes. I explained to her I was handicap and ask if the horse was child safe. She claimed it was and was claimed out of all the emails concerning the horse that is now called spiky would be better suited with me than anyone….She said she lived in Alaska and the shipping would be 1000.00 but 50.00 home delivery….She asked for full name address phone number etc….also said i would have to be patient for vet records…She claimed her brother owned the horse since spiky was 2 yrs old and is now 9 yrs she said her brother was in a car accident and was no longer able to give spiky the attention and care he needs…..She wanted to ship spiky the next day……I have emails if anyone would like to see what she sent….She also sent pictures and it’s the exact pictures on this site…..She wouldn’t give her number or info as I requested…….This is the big scam and I’m not sure how anyone can get away with it but you can bet I will pursue what emails have been sent back n forth. Will contact my attorney and see if something can be done with these people this is terrible what they are doing…….feel free to contact me I will be more than happy to share emails back n forth between her and I ….
I have encountered this fraud on two horses this weekend, one named Jasper, and one named Larion both on dreamhorse.com–same scam, pay for transportation, adopt Jasper, and pay $3100 for Larion. WATCH OUT!!
The horse is now called Bently a 15.3hh Friesian. I e-mailed them today and then phoned a friend thinking that maybe the horse had been stolen or something. As soon as I got the e-mail about shipping alarm bells rang, it was just to good to be true. My friend found this site and warned me. I would never have parted with any money up front but there are obviously people out there that will.
I wouldn’t have paid for anything up front such as shipping of a horse nor would I give my name or number and address. These people that are scamming others will be brought down….I advise everyone to contact the place the ad is in and any other ad it’s in…Let them know it’s a scam…..If something sounds to good to be true then it is…..I emailed the person and told them how I know about their scam and was contacting my attorney…..I just hope everyone that has contacted this person would do the same…..
I’m not sure how to post all emails from this lady or I would post them all. I can tell you the email they are using now is m4sandra@yahoo.com
shri750@gmail.com e-mailed the month of Dec about 2 Friesians for sale. $700, I only wanted gelding. Next thing I know the horse is on the move form co. to Tx. when I decided to take the horse. I am informed that the horse is at the hauler and to wire 750 and the horse is on it way. Yes I know better but heart desire blinded me stupid. The company e-mailed thier papers of who they were ( Tekence Age) . All seemed Ok until I get a call stateing that they had been stopped by Okl Highway Patrol and Animal control for insurence on horses and for 25000 more the horse could proceed. No I didn’t send the money and I did check with the Okl High Patrol and there was no such stop or such a thing.Check with a reputable hauler and he said that these people were scanning people with alkind of transports. sshi750@gmail.com even e- mailed me to say that she would put up half the money and I could keep it when we got refund at end of trip, told her no one bad decision did not get 2 .I now see pictures of Jason and Jessie all over horse web sites and even in “I look for cheep Friesian. guess it have horse picture will travel.
that is the same one I got but it was Jason and Jessie
I’m more concerned about the saddle-on-the-withers pictures!
My friend had a recent Friesian scam tried on her though…. the woman advertised the horse in Horse Deals Australia and when my friend tried to arrange a viewing/ride the woman said “Well I’m selling him because I’m actually in Thailand at the moment, so I can’t organise that for you” at this point I was saying don’t buy an unseen horse, then the woman came out with “He’s here in Thailand too, so if you want to buy him you have to pay upfront for him and the air transport for him to come to Australia”…. yes, because it’s so normal to pay $5000 for a horse you haven’t seen, then pay another $1000 to ship him to your country. All this just on the understanding that the owner will be honest and not just keep the money and never send him (if he does even exist!).. hmm, no thanks!
seriously, i feel like a fool. I have been conversing with the same people about a fresian….i did send my name and address, but no money. now it is Wilma the Fresian…was in WA, but now in Austin, TX. Lost his wife, sell his gelding for 850. will ship for 650. his email is kellyjones1985@hotmail.com . equinehits horse id# 283715. Guess i’ll be letting equine hits know! like i said, feel like an idiot!
I just took one to the end here.
Didn’t ask for shipping, they said they would pay for shipping just needed name, phone and address and they would deliver to my door step.
Got email from shipper saying seller “Hanna Liky” paid shipping charges in full, horse was on plane and would be delivered on my doorstep 7pm that night…
Hour later shipper called and asked me to pay insurance fee’s that were refundable in cash by transporter who would be dropping horse off…
This site has a fresian add on it that is a SCAM ! they are asking $600 dolloars for a soposadly 8 yr old fresian gelding whos qualifications are worth more than that!The horses name is Jort. they want $500 dollars to ship the horse by plane. Only a western Union will do. The horse was placed on a Kentucky site but the “owner” said he lives in Miami Florida, then the owner using the name Dr. Young Martins, had a “horse hauler” call me, wanting payment immidiatly his name was Rolland Moore. The horse hauler was also supposadly in Miami Florida as well but I was to sent the Western Union to Cameroon, Africa. This is a scam and I hope they get caught!
This horse (same pictures) is listed on horseclicks.com by a woman named Alexsandra and another ad on horseclicks.com by a woman named Bianca. The wording is the same in these ads except the name and the email provided is alexsandrabianci@yahoo.it the same in both ads. This time the horse’s name is Solo and the story is that the woman was in a car accident and will not be able to ride again. She is looking for someone to adopt the horse and pay shipping. This horse is listed as being in Texas, California, Georgia, Michigan, etc.
I did email the seller and asked to come see the horse in person. I have not received a response. Anytime a seller denies the right to see the horse in person, there is a problem. I hope nobody has lost money to this person.
Similar advertisement on itsmymarket.com offering Dela Friesian Mare for adoption some excellent photographs and beautifull animal for £350.00 shipping. Hope no-one falls for it. The owner is apparently a William scott. email wllmscott21@gmail.com
Hey i think his name is Jerkins now, i just got scammed, thankfully i knew not to wire money, he was first advertised in maine, i couldn’t get him, they conveniently moved 4 hrs away from me, and now just want me to pay their vet in the uk. Ha, but heartboken, had already borrowed money, and trailer to get horse, also pasture, how to catch these people?
Ugh i believe I was contacted by this scammer as well, he spoke broken english and said it was “free” because of an accident. Thanks for posting this…now i know not to give away any real personal info. Now i feel absolutely terrible, i was so happy too.
Well…We got the e-mail…researched it and of course found out that it was a scam – This was a Fresian gelding named RENO and the man had a horrible accident and is partially paralyzed and his wife does not ride. Wanted $700, but will give away free to a good home – right!
I suggest that each of you forward this to your local FBI cyber crime unit who has the ability to deal with this on an international level since his e-mail is an international one – let’s sent this fellow and his cronies to prison!
Just checked back to let you all know what people have to gain from this, there are several ways to scam us, top one being they want to ship the horse for you and that is the only cost they charge, to make it more legit, you pay the shipping company directley, my quote was for 1300 dollars to be wired to this company, its a fraudulent shipping company, so if you fall for that one they got ya, if you insist on picking the horse up, they immediatley need money wired somewhere for vet bills my qoute 770.00, when i said i wouldn’t wire money to uk, they set it up for US. I mess with these particular people now because they like to waste our time and emotions. I have been making fake emails and inquiring about this same horse and letting it go on and on and hear there ridiculous tactics, the latest the horse was there sons who was killed in a car accident a few monthes back and the horse brings back terrible memories so they just have to get rid of him, they will say anything, i had these one people going that i was gonna meet em and all her sister had a brain tumor and was going into surgery. Well after a bout 10 days i finally had to let the cat out of the bag and wrote i wired the money to Kissmiahass Supermarket. They wrote back ” I do not understand what was the 10 diget number” so i wrote back a wacky number and said “do you understand this KISSMIAHASS SUPERMARKET, i hope you enjoyed wasting my time as much as i did yours, its been fun, hope you know i have over 200 addys that i plan on using to waste your time and recoures.” They actually wrote me back saying sorry and they found me to be very funny and interesting and was hoping to be freinds. So if you have free time, i think its worth doing plus i have aquired several different email addys that i have reported. And it makes you feel better about the time they outsmarted me and i thought i was goin to get this horse. They have plenty to gain, and not much to lose, just play the maybe sooner or later it won’t be worth there time, they will have to find a new scam. This horse is everywhere people a lot of others are scams too i believe they are the same people.
Hey Micheal,
Or whoever u really are, do you really think you stand a chance defending yourself, i know you are scammers, and i personally know these pictures right now are for a horse named Jerkins, out of curiosity how many actually wire the money? And who is on this horse? Where did you find pics, i would be mad as heck if you plastered my face all over the internet and everyone knows its a scam. Why don’t you try selling him as a unicorn????? Maybe we’ll fall for that….. talk to you soon or one of the other many names you people go under, but you’ll never know who i am and if iam serious.
Hello all,
I am the latest person to fall for free horse Mandella.
Just yeaterday they sent photoes of this great horse described in the first paragraph. I kept all the emails . If anyone needs a great home for a horse 6-7 or a little younger let me know.
Fran
William Scott is also trying to scam people regarding the sale of other animals too. He tried to scam me when I responded to a http://www.recycler.com (Ca) ad pertaining to a Siberian husky puppy for sale. He said the puppy was AKC registered and that he was an auditor and had no time to take care of the puppy. This guy wanted $200.00 and said that the puppy he called “Dela” would be shipped to me in an air–conditioned crate and that I only had to cover the flight charge. He sent me an email with payment instructions and a link to a pet transportation site he claimed would be responsible for shipping the puppy to me. I then found out that the site was a bogus site he created a couple of days before he posted the ad. His fake site is at http://www.pettransportinternational.com so beware. I checked the owner of this site and it is registered to a Joesph Hawkman in Sunvyvale Ca. 94088, PO Box 61359, tel +1.5105952002. Which I believe is William Scott or his associates. You can checkout the information at http://whois.domaintools.com/pettransportinternational.com. This guy told me everything from he was an Angel from God doing Gods work and so on… just to try and persuade me into trusting him.. Be very careful out there – this guy will go to all extremes to get your money…..
Hey Amy I got the same exact email about James and Jane.This is totally a scam.
Hi, there are similar adverts on itmymarket.com have replied to these people. they are not interested when you say that you will collect the horse. advert is Friesian mare for adoption £350.00 and Strong friesian mare for adoption £150.00 It is interesting to note that they use the same information and pictures on both horses. You can only sell a horse once. Have complained to itsmymarket.com twice but the adverts are still running.
Just came across “Teface” the free Friesian today. After looking into his history, found he had dozens of ads for his sale or adoption all over the world, and here is what his seller had to say:
“Hello ,
Mike as we call him is an exceptional, beautiful fairy
tale 3rd preemie STER Gelding. He has matured to 16H and exhibits a
lovely personality with beautiful flowing gates due to his compact
build. He was imported from the Netherlands in 2004, and has had one
previous owner who did not ride him. His bloodlines are SUPERB (all
Ster, Pref, or Model): Mother is STER,Grandmother is a STER, and
Great-Grandmother is a STER. His Sire, FETSE 349 is a 1st Premium
Stallion Training: In Denmark, Mike was schooled to M1 then
imported. In the U.S. he has been schooled in Spanish Riding School
from Jerez, Spain,and classical dressage. Kept in professional
training for the past 4 years under the supervision of his current
owner,Teface scored an average of 66 1st level this summer. His gates
are lovely,and the canter is to die for! He is registered.He been schooled
in Traditional Spanish Riding Techniques, along with some Western training.
He lounges, long lines and has used a serretta. Temperament: Quiet and
accommodating, this trusting horse should be paired with someone who is
willing to bond with him…he connects with the humans who work with him,
even to the surprise of professionals! Really, no vices and a perfect gentleman.
He is safe enough for a beginning rider, and talented enough for the
more advanced.Lovely mover that can do hunter in hand now, but do not
think he will be tall enough to go at a World level in that class this
year. all we need is a loving home that is willing to take care of
him.i need to go and meet my family that is the reason Mike
needs a home.Mike is easy to ride by kids and is of good temperament
he will come with all his tacks..
will wait to answer any of your questions and to know when you intend
to take him home because i will be going to meet my family as soon as we
find a home for him. Teface will make your family proud believe me.
we would also like to know where you are located?”
Like they say, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is…
i cant remmber the website but i was looking at the same horse up in kent washington and he was free i was looking for this type of horse for show she sent pics and all i was ready to go get him and she would not let me come get him she said i needed to have a pro transport for him and offered her freind for 450.00 dollers witch was only an hour from where i lived i told her no i will do this my self she said no so i tested her and got someone to do this and she told me that the person i got wasnt good enough well i told the women that she didnt want to give the horse up and that my time and heart was wasted when i found the web agien she had removed the add the next day
Hey all…
These people are really soooooo stupid, they would sue themselves. But anyway, they make people really negative about horses. I wanted a horse so badly and a lady e-mailed me saying she has a horse up for free adoption to the right home. I was really sceptic and thought I can’t trust her. Started asking her the usual questions I ask when people mention a free horse to me, asked for her number, gave her a call, asked directions etc. I found out that it wasn’t a scam after all…And I am sooooo glad right now that I took the time to talk to her after I almost fell into one of this scams. But still, they make people negative and if I didn’t trust my instincts, I would have let this horse slip through my fingers and it would have been a disaster…!! She is the greatest horse ever
What I am actually trying to say is, don’t jump to conclusions and accuse anyone before you are sure of your facts. Some people really just want to find good homes for their horses and really doesn’t want to con you. I know most people do, but not all. So ask them all the questions, mention that you want to try the horse before you take it…. Who knows?? There is horses out there for all of us!!!
This horse was listed as a horse named “Jerkins” just this week. The woman is now Helen Powell out of Cottonwood Heights, Utah.
Beware of a scam artist posing as Steven Hudson.
His e-mail address was stevenhudson7@gmail.com
He advertised on Horsetophia, to give a way 2 9 yr old Friesian horses, Rosy & Ryan.
They were originally free in the ad, but then I was to pay $4,000 for shipping.
The ad was originally in NB but he lived in Houston Texas and was relocating to New York, but I think he was operating and residing in Cameroon.
He was using a shipping company called Rainbow Animal Express. I think this was his own scam company to, one minute I am receiving 2 horses the next a puppy.
The e-mails were endless and on occasions he couldn’t remember if he was Steven Hudson or Steven Brown.
Here is the fake posting I recieved- After several emails it was clear that it is a scam—Please dont send these people ANY money!! SCAM: chantynice@ymail.com
Franky is a black 16.1hh friesian fantastic all rounder. This superb
horse is very sadly up for sale because we have outgrown him. Franky
is everything you could want in a horse and more. 9 years young with
no health problems. Franky will be a L/R to a 1st horse, then on to
your child’s 2nd Horsey. My niece has had great fun on him and he
has taken her to 116.1hh strong horse. Had we not have had the pleasure
of owning him, she wouldn’t be where she is today. Franky is placed
every time out, now competing at 2′6″ with ease. We took him hunting &
he loved it. Done all PC activities, excels at games. Snaffle mouthed,
but fast against the clock and can turn on a sixpence. He never
refuses a fence, enjoys XC as well. Schools on his own and in company.
Franky hacks out alone and in company. He is a superb Horse, everything
you could ever want in a horse and more.
Just be careful when playing with these guys. Don’t make yourself a target.
Lots of poor souls fall for this, and send the money, even over here in Australia. It goes the other way as well when you have something to sell. They want you to pay the shipping, and they will add it to the cost of the item. In my dads case it was his merc, and in my neighbours it was their buying of a motorbike.
Remember…IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, THEN IT PROBABLY ISN’T!
http://www.horsetopia.com/for-sale/classifieds/ad443137
Tracked IP Address to ….Douala, Cameroon
I have received a email in reply to my wanted ad for jerkins, a superb friesian named jerkins, we called the number to speak to a supposed helen powell and just got some chap speaking broken english stating he was in the isle of man and we would need to pay £650 for shipping and £600 for jerkins!! we were obviously unable to view him first…
hi kelly, thanks for your interest.you can get to me through my
waiting to hear from you.
hi Devorah,
thanks for the reply.i believe you do know the cost of Ebony.i told i was giving him away for $1500.it’s all left for you to decide.if you think this is a scam,no problem but if not,you know how to get to me.
thank you
PLEASE POST E-MAIL ADDRESS OF THOSE SCAMMERS!
THIS WAY WHEN PEOPLE GOOGLE, THEY WILL FIND WARNINGS FASTER!
DO REPORT TO YOUR E-MAL FROVIDERS SUCH SCAMS – TRY TO POST IN RETUN TO ABUSE@YOUR.PPROVIDER ENTIRE E-MAIL BODY WOTH IP ORIGIN!
GO AND SEARCH GOOGLE TO GET INVOLVED IN E-SCAM FIGHT!
THERE ARE MANY FORUMS WHERE YOU AN BE ACTIVE!
THANK YOU!
“REAL WORLD” – GET THE MEANING OF WORD “GREEDY”!
WHEN SOMEONE BUYS, THAT MEANS HE/SHE SPENDS THE MONEY – IT’S NOT GREEDY!
WHEN SCUMBAGS LIKE YOU DEFRAUD REAL, WORKING PEOPLE – THAT IS GREEDY AND CRIME – YOU PATHOLOGICAL WAY OF THINKING(?) TRY TO “EXCUSE” A CRIME!
INTERNATIONAL CRIME DONE BY LAZY, UNEDUCATED, STREET GANGSTERS, WHO HAVE NO CONSCIOUS NOR HUMAN EMOTIONS – JUST PURE GREED AND LOTS OF JEALOUSY FOR OTHERS’ LIFESTYLES.
SUCH SCUMBAGS ARE NOT “REAL PEOPLE” – NOR THEY ARE ANIMALS… POOR EXCUSE FOR A “HUMAN BEING” – OWNER OF THIS BLOG SHOULD POST IP OF THIS SCUMBAG – CAMEROON OR NIGERIA OR KENYA – I’M SURE!
The real world guy is using broken English…
The scammers love to reply to their own ads just to try
to denounce the fact that the ads are obvious scams. Some of these men have been caught before using fake ids to go to western unions to get their money. They are school drop outs and speak very broken English with poor spelling and punctuation.
We have had the same type of scams in the Knoxville, Tn area. When checked upon, the address given with zipcode, found the site in the city itself!! People need to be aware that if sounds too good to be true, more likely it.s a scam. It,s too bad there’s so many people out there willing to prey upon innocent people, but then this is worldwide exposure and what’s can be good for millions, can be disasterous to thousands!! LET THE BUYER BEWARE …
HI Barbara.
Here is the latest scam email I’ve received. This person’s email address is ceceliasuns@yahoo.com.
Thanks for getting back to me in regards to my Friesian Gelding horses James and Jane.well firstly we will love to let you know a little about me and location presently.As earlier stated,my presently job does not permit me have time for my horses(James and Jane) due to the busy schedule of my job.But i will love to let you know that,my honesty and kindness has earned me the admiration of many in my area and earned me the position of elder in my church.I am presently in Texas,USA and i am here with James and Jane and i will be getting you them from here.I will love if you answer the following questions.
-Where you are located at?
-Are you married?
-Do you have pet experience?Especially with horses
-Do you got a farm where the horses can play and ride on?
-Do you have pets?If yes what type of pets.
Yes the got experience in jumping and Dressage.My niece before passing away to the cold arms of death a year ago used to train them on that.Also you will need to get back to me with your full names and home address as well as a contact phone number.All you will need to do is pay the sum of $700 for both horses to be hauled to your home by haulers or horse transportation experts and they will be transported in box or stock stall, well-ventilated, Galvaneal construction, torsion axles for safest, most comfortable ride available.They horses are physically checked every 2-3 hours and are monitored throughout the trip. Horses are fed and watered throughout the
trip and any special needs can be taken care of along the way.They will come
along with all their documents,accessories,food, video and you will be paying directly to the hauling company i will be using to get the horses to you.As soon as i get your information i will be taking the horses to the Hauling company for transportation and they will be getting back to you there after..I really would have loved to give you a call to know you better and also to know who is about getting my horses but i am sorry that is not possible at the moment because my telephone lines are currently faulty and under reconstruction so i reply all my emails from a nearby cyber cafe..But i trust you and know your home will be the best for my horses..
Thanks
These people need to be put away for their crimes!
HA! I got the EXACT same email except it was from a mr james karryman! on a horse named tango. these ppl need to be stopped! luckily i googled it before i payed anything and found out it was a scam, i also was almost scammed by a “woman” named lisa on one named HASI, a mare in GA>